I.Forty-One Villages
InterviewerMay I begin with your family. Your ancestral land lies in what is now Pakistan. Could you tell me about that place — where it was, what your family did there, and how they came to leave it? Whatever you remember yourself, or whatever you were told.
OfficerHello, Gargi. Question one, where the family came from. I belong to a family which traces its lineage from Guru Nanak Dev Ji1. We are direct descendants of Guru Nanak. I will send you my family tree separately. Our ancestral home, after Guru Nanak Dev Ji, the ancestors that we belong to moved to a place called Una2 in Himachal. To cut the story short, there was a family feud, and my great-grandfather’s father was murdered, and he was very young. He and his elder brother thereafter were taken away to their maternal side near Rawalpindi. And my great-grandfather, he was the younger brother. His name was Sir Baba Khem Singh3. He was very influential. He propagated the religion. He was knighted. He attended Victoria’s, Queen Victoria’s, Golden Jubilee. He also attended King George’s — George, or was it the Edward — in 19054. He passed away in 1906. He had vast estates in what is now Montgomery or Sahiwal district5 in Pakistan. I will continue in my next talk hereafter.
OfficerMy great-grandfather, Sir Baba Khem Singh, owned about 41 villages, apart from other estates and land in Rawalpindi, Jalandhar district, and Hoshiarpur district in the old days. We were the biggest landlords pre-partition in this part of the world, that is joint Punjab. My grandfather6, he was another big landlord, held about 20,000 acres. The family was caught up with partition, thereafter migrated to India. We lost all our property and land after partition. We were compensated with a little land after partition, and we settled in the area of Fazilka7, which is now a district of Punjab. My father and his four brothers all educated in the elite school in Pakistan. My father, while he stayed with my grandfather looking after our agriculture property, the other uncles, three of them, were senior IAS8 officers. One of them a retired High Court judge. Coming on to my own family, I belong to the number three son of my grandfather. His name is Rajinder Singh9, a very decent, nice, humble man. He achieved a lot in his own field as an agriculturist. He was an MLA10 apart from various other appointments he held, politically. That is, in brief, my family history.
InterviewerWas it spoken about at home while you were growing up, or was it one of the things the family did not discuss?
Not yet answered. The question is printed here because the record of what was asked is part of the record of what was said.
Contextual Notes and Historical References
- 1 · Guru Nanak Dev Ji
- The first of the ten Sikh Gurus, 1469 to 1539. His direct descendants are known as the Bedis, and the family tree Brigadier Bedi supplied — reproduced at the foot of this page — traces the line from Guru Nanak’s sons Baba Sri Chand and Baba Lakhmi Das down to his own grandchildren.
- 2 · Una
- The chart records the move precisely: an ancestor named Kaladhari, who died in 1737, “migrated to Una, Distt. Hoshiarpur”. Una lay in Hoshiarpur district of Punjab until 1966, when it was transferred to Himachal Pradesh and later made a district of its own. He gives it as Himachal, which is where it is now.
- 3 · Sir Baba Khem Singh Bedi
- 1830 to 1906. A religious and social leader among Sikhs in western Punjab, knighted by the British, and among the largest landholders of the undivided province.
- 4 · 1905
- He is uncertain which sovereign, and says so. Queen Victoria’s Golden Jubilee was in 1887; Edward VII was crowned in 1902 and George V in 1911. The archive prints the uncertainty rather than resolving it for him.
- 5 · Montgomery, or Sahiwal
- The same district under two names. Montgomery, in the Punjab canal colonies, was renamed Sahiwal in 1967. It lies in present-day Pakistan.
- 6 · His grandfather
- Given on the family tree as Ujagar Singh, died 1972, a son of Sir Baba Khem Singh.
- 7 · Fazilka
- A town close to the international border in south-western Punjab, made a district in 2011. Much of the land allotted to families displaced from the west in 1947 lay in this belt.
- 8 · IAS
- The Indian Administrative Service, the senior civil service of independent India, successor to the Indian Civil Service.
- 9 · His father’s name
- The name as spoken in the recording is heard as Rajinder Singh. The family tree he supplied gives his father as Kunwar Lajinder Singh, 1914 to 2002. The archive prints the recording as made and the chart beside it, and has referred the difference back to him rather than silently choosing between the two.
- 10 · MLA
- Member of the Legislative Assembly, an elected representative in a state legislature.
II.In Brief, My Career
OfficerWhile I was very young at partition, I was sent off to a boarding school, St. George’s, Mussoorie1, in the year 1950. Thereafter, I joined RIMC. On to NDA, on to IMA, and I joined the Sindh Horse2, a cavalry regiment, in 1965 before the war. I got the Colonel Houghton’s Medal3 at the RIMC, the Gold Medal at NDA, and the Sword of Honour4 at the IMA. I was the best young officer of my course, on my YO’s course5. Thereafter, I did my staff college in Canada6.
OfficerI worked very hard as a regimental soldier, and I enjoyed every bit of it, and I don’t mind repeating it in my second life if I have one. While posted at the staff college as a brigadier, it was discovered that I had a cancer problem during my annual medical examination. Within a week, I got my operation done to remove my kidney, and I applied for premature retirement. And that, in short, is my career and family profile. If you have any further questions, I will let you know. But for tonight, just on question one, that is my answer.
Contextual Notes and Historical References
- 1 · St George’s College, Mussoorie
- A boarding school founded in 1853 in the hills above Dehradun, run by the Patrician Brothers. He entered it in 1950, three years after Partition, and was a boarder continuously from then until he was commissioned.
- 2 · The Sindh Horse
- An armoured regiment of the Indian Army, descended from the Scinde Horse raised in 1839. Cavalry in lineage and name, mechanised in fact.
- 3 · Colonel Houghton’s Medal
- Awarded at the Rashtriya Indian Military College. The College’s senior prize, named for an early commandant.
- 4 · The Sword of Honour
- Presented to the cadet adjudged first in order of merit in his course at the Indian Military Academy, Dehradun. Taken with the Gold Medal at the National Defence Academy and the Colonel Houghton’s Medal at the College, it means he stood first at each of the three institutions he passed through, consecutively.
- 5 · YO’s course
- The Young Officers’ course, the first professional course an officer attends after commissioning, run by his own arm.
- 6 · Staff college in Canada
- The Canadian Forces Command and Staff College, Toronto. Indian officers were sent to allied staff colleges on exchange; selection for one abroad was itself a mark of standing.
III.The College
InterviewerYou joined the Rashtriya Indian Military College in the 1950s, as a boy of about eleven. What do you remember of arriving — the journey there, the first few days, the first night?
OfficerI joined the school in 1957, first term. I was there till 61. I have been in a boarding school from 50 to 57. So my journey as a boarder or in school was no different. In fact, the RIMC was much more comfortable than what the life was at St. George’s. The only difference was this was more regulated. And better planned as far as our daily routine was concerned. The food here was better. I had absolutely no problem settling in. I already had two cousins who were studying at the RIMC. One of them was a year ahead of me, and the other one was a senior boy. He was good three and a half years ahead of me. I never felt any problem, although I was always very attached to the family and I was very close to both my parents. I did miss them, but besides that, I had no problem in settling down. I was good in sports all round, and that kept me busy. I was an average student, not an above average student in my studies. I was above average in sports.
InterviewerThe College was then only a few years out of British hands. How much of it still felt British to you, and how much of it had become Indian?
OfficerWhen I joined school, there was no British teacher or anything else. Everything was quite Indian1. And it was not uncomfortable in any manner.
InterviewerYou were in Pratap Section. What did a section mean to a boy at that age?
OfficerAs far as the section was concerned, this system of sections or houses2 was a very good system. We had a senior, one-term senior, who would look after his immediate junior, and he became more or less a buddy. He was the guiding person for the junior guy. And the selection of this was done by the senior NCO3 or section commanders and the people like that. So they selected the better boys to groom the first-termer when he came in, and his bed was close to him, his cabin box and cupboard and all, everything was next to him. So he would guide him for everything that was there, which was a very good system. And as far as the section spirit is concerned, it is basically cultivated in sports and other activities where there are inter-house competitions. That is the basic josh4 that is created. The second is other competitions where you have the overall trophy. When you wear your, say, the lanyard to the right for the champion section5 and things like that, they are the ones which create section spirit, and that is how it is passed down from seniors to juniors and everybody. There are people who don’t play sports, but they have a lot of section spirit. They are the leaders in the cheer party. So there’s a lot of bonding. You start the daily routine together in the same dormitory, same section. You eat together, you sleep in the same dormitory, and it is a wonderful life.
InterviewerIs there a master, or a senior cadet, whose name you still remember — and what was it that he taught you?
OfficerI remember all my teachers. The housemasters were very thorough. They were very good. And they kept the house and the sections in order. My first principal was Mr. Deendayal6, whom I, to confess, I wasn’t very fond of him. He had come to us from Delhi Public School. Earlier, I think he was in the Doon School. And, yeah, he was a different man, but otherwise a good man. There is no problem that way. But the housemaster, we had a gentleman called Mr. Pathak. And later Mr. R.C. Singhal. So the teachers were all very good. Even the PT ustaads7 used to have a lot of spirit. I think they had nice little bungalows. Their accommodation was good. So they enjoyed teaching and the school activities. They were very much part of the school and the house or the section and things like that. I remember all my teachers.
Contextual Notes and Historical References
- 1 · “Everything was quite Indian”
- The College was founded in 1922 as the Prince of Wales Royal Indian Military College and had been under Indian command since 1947. By his first term, ten years later, no British staff remained.
- 2 · Sections
- The College’s four houses — Pratap, Ranjit, Shivaji and Chandragupta — each named for an Indian ruler, and each a cadet’s permanent home for the whole of his time there. He was in Pratap.
- 3 · NCO
- Non-commissioned officer. At the College the senior cadet appointments carry the same titles as in a unit.
- 4 · Josh
- Spirit, dash, collective enthusiasm — the word used in Indian service for the thing a unit either has or does not.
- 5 · The lanyard to the right
- A visible mark: the champion section of the term wears its lanyard on the opposite shoulder from everyone else, so that a boy’s section is read off him across a parade ground.
- 6 · Mr Deendayal
- Principal of the College during his first years there, who had come from Delhi Public School and, before that, The Doon School. His assessment — candid, then immediately qualified — is printed as he gave it.
- 7 · PT ustaads
- The physical-training instructors. Ustaad, a teacher or master of a craft, is the service term for an instructor in drill, weapons or physical training.
IV.Why the Sindh Horse
InterviewerWhen you were commissioned, which arm or regiment did you join, and what drew you to that one rather than another?
OfficerI was commissioned in 1965. Just before the war, I joined a regiment called the Sindh Horse. Although I wanted to join the infantry because I had a squadron commander in NDA who was from the Sikh Light Infantry1, but my parents prevailed upon me. I joined the Sindh Horse because my chacha’s2 son, who was with me in RIMC and before that in St. George’s, so he was commissioned into the Sindh Horse, and that’s why I wanted that regiment. I never knew very much about the history, etc., of the regiment, and therefore, you know, at that age, you have various thoughts in your mind. They are not very logical, but you have a reason for why you, you know, small reasons, you like the uniform, you like the badge, you have an impression about that unit or the infantry or whatever. By looking at a few people or some ustaad or some officer or platoon commander in IMA or NDA, and you get carried away. That is the reason for joining the Sindh Horse.
Contextual Notes and Historical References
- 1 · The Sikh Light Infantry
- An infantry regiment of the Indian Army. A squadron commander at the National Defence Academy is a serving officer responsible for a body of cadets; the influence he describes is of a man, not a regiment.
- 2 · Chacha
- Father’s younger brother. The cousin in question had been with him at St George’s and again at the College.
V.The Canal, and the Exercise with Live Firing
InterviewerWhich operations did you see during your service? I would rather ask you than assume anything.
OfficerI took part in the 1965 and the 1971 operations. In ’65, soon after joining, I had not even done my course when the war broke out, so I never knew very much about the war, and my duties weren’t really, you know, as a frontline soldier. I was detailed on, you know, to coordinate things with the divisional headquarters and things like that. Basically, call it a messenger liaison officer. That is what the duty was. I was the liaison officer to the divisional headquarters. My regiment was on the GT axis1, that is the axis from Amritsar to Lahore. We went into Lahore. In fact, we stopped at a canal, which is called the Ichhogil Canal2, which is on the outskirts of Lahore. For some reason, we were ordered to come back a couple of miles, and thereafter, the war continued till the end in those two miles or so that we had pulled back. We regained that same place after a bitter fight, and the war came to an end.
OfficerIn ’71, I was where the operations were ready in the Samba sector3. I was what they call a GSO-34 as a captain in the brigade, armoured brigade headquarters, and I loved the operation. I loved in the sense I enjoyed the operation from close quarters, seeing my brigade commander and the regiment function. There wasn’t, you know, bitter fighting that we see in movies and things like that, except on one odd occasion. And it was more like an exercise in the western sector. So the serious fighting was to start when the war finished because Pakistan surrendered in the east5, and the war came to an end. So it was like an exercise, and it was good fun. It was like an exercise, but with live firing and action and, you know, things like that.
InterviewerYou spent your career in an army whose principal adversary holds the ground your family came from. Did that ever sit oddly with you, or did the two things stay separate in your mind?
Not yet answered. It is the question this record most wants an answer to, and the archive has not supplied one on his behalf.
InterviewerAs a Brigadier you were answerable for several thousand men. What did that ask of you that commanding a battalion had not?
Not yet answered.
Contextual Notes and Historical References
- 1 · The GT axis
- The Grand Trunk Road, running from Amritsar to Lahore — the most direct approach between the two cities and the main axis of the Indian advance in September 1965.
- 2 · The Ichhogil Canal
- Also the BRB Canal, a wide irrigation canal dug along the eastern approaches to Lahore and used as a defensive obstacle. Indian units reached it in the first days of the 1965 war. It is about ten kilometres from the edge of the city.
- 3 · The Samba sector
- In Jammu, north of the Punjab plains, on the western front — far from the decisive fighting in the east.
- 4 · GSO-3
- General Staff Officer Grade 3, the junior staff appointment at a headquarters, held by a captain.
- 5 · The surrender in the east
- Pakistani forces in East Pakistan surrendered at Dhaka on 16 December 1971, and a ceasefire followed on the western front the next day.
VI.Many Little Small Incidents
InterviewerWas there one incident in your career that changed what you understood about soldiering? Not necessarily the most dangerous one — the one that changed you.
OfficerGargi, in the regiment, there is no one particular incident. There are many little small incidents that make up regimental life. We again have that system of a senior looking after a junior in the regiment. We have the senior subaltern1 and things like that. The regimental mess plays a major role in the grooming of an officer because the day’s activity is summed up there, where you gather and you talk, discuss, and, you know, generally, you are polished as a soldier in the mess.
OfficerOur Indian system of regimentation we got naturally from the British. It is a very good system. Unfortunately, it is being diluted as time passes in the sense that the pure regiments, that is the Sikh Regiment or the Dogra Regiment, the politicians actually want these regiments to be mixed from all parts of the country2. I have a different view. I feel it is better to, or easier to motivate troops if they belong to certain areas. Troops means squadron or regiments or companies, you know, pure component. It is easier to motivate those gents. So, I enjoyed interacting with my troops. That is the basic requirement of a soldier. They are very quick to judge the officer, and they can weigh him up very fast. You have to rub shoulders on the sports field, in your work, in day-to-day activity, in your exercises, when you are sleeping with them, eating with them, and day and night you’re with them. You get to know everybody, and they get to know you better. So that is part of regimentation. That is a very good system. And you have to be, as a youngster, you have to be broken in. Much of it depends upon the CO3 that you’re serving in. So much for the moment, Gargi. I will continue with the next part whenever I get time.
Contextual Notes and Historical References
- 1 · The senior subaltern
- The most senior of the junior officers in a unit, responsible by custom for the conduct and education of those below him in the mess.
- 2 · Mixed and class regiments
- Some Indian infantry regiments recruit from a single community or region — a practice inherited from the British Indian Army — while others recruit nationally. Whether to continue it is a long-running argument, and he states his own position in it. The archive records the position without endorsing it.
- 3 · CO
- Commanding Officer, the lieutenant-colonel in command of a unit.
VII.The Army Now
InterviewerIs there something the army had in your time that you believe it has since lost? And what gives you the deepest sense of fulfilment, looking back over all of it?
OfficerGargi. I feel that the Army today is very competent. The officers, the men are certainly much more competent than what we were in our times. I think we have lost out a bit on our physical fitness, which I think is very, very important for a soldier. The other, I find that because of the circumstances, employment and other activities, the character qualities in some aspects have come down. Earlier, I felt the officers were more forthright, ready to call a spade a spade. That, I think, doesn’t happen now. So, career progression is the cause, I think. There are various other small issues which can be sorted out, provided there is a will.
OfficerAnother aspect is that the Army has been downgraded since our time, in the sense that the civil administration, etc., does not give adequate respect. Now, this is one is a political bureaucratic issue. The second is, I feel we need our top brass to stand up, let a few heads roll, let them thump the table to put things right. Our young officers have done extremely well. Look what has happened in Kargil1, Siachen2, and things. Nowhere else in the world do young leaders fight like this. Our young boys are absolutely outstanding, much, much better than what we were during our time. And these boys need to be given respect. So, this I feel in a nutshell. The Army is certainly much, much more competent now than what it was earlier. They are more educated. They can think better.
OfficerIn fact, the Army has progressed quite a bit. There are other Agniveer3 type of issues, which I think one has to tackle boldly. If Agniveer is to be applied, it should be applied across the board, to the police, to all the paramilitary forces. And, you know, why only single out the Army? So, that is what I feel. And now there is nothing else that I can tell you, except you need to come back if you want to know anything specific. I have enjoyed my service life. I would join it again, given an opportunity. I have nothing more to add. I’ve had a lovely, wonderful life. Thank you, Gargi.
Contextual Notes and Historical References
- 1 · Kargil
- The conflict of May to July 1999 in the Kargil sector of Ladakh, fought at extreme altitude to clear intrusions across the Line of Control. It was led overwhelmingly by young officers, and their casualty rate was the highest of any rank.
- 2 · Siachen
- The glacier in the eastern Karakoram held by Indian troops since 1984 — the highest battlefield in the world, where most losses are to the conditions rather than to fire.
- 3 · Agniveer
- A soldier enrolled under the Agnipath scheme, introduced in 2022, which recruits for four-year terms with a quarter retained for full service. His objection is to its being applied to the armed forces alone.